Scribhinní >oghaim-

1 very ripe pineapple, approx. 2 lbs.

8 cups water

2 whole cloves
2 whole allspice
a 4" piece of cinnamon bark

1 lb Piloncillo (Mexican raw sugar cone) [No, plain old granulated American brown sugar is NOT an adequate substitute—ogam]
1-1/2 cups water

1/2 can Lager Beer

"There are no chaste minds. Minds copulate wherever they meet."

—  Eric Hoffer, "the longshoreman philosopher" and author (1902-1983)

 Wikipedia article

Hoffer was among the first to recognize the central importance of self-esteem to psychological well-being. While most recent writers focus on the benefits of a positive self-esteem, Hoffer focused on the consequences of a lack of self-esteem. Concerned about the rise of totalitarian governments, especially those of Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin, he tried to find the roots of these "madhouses" in human psychology. He postulated that fanaticism and self-righteousness are rooted in self-hatred, self-doubt, and insecurity. As he describes in  The True Believer, he believed a passionate obsession with the outside world or with the private lives of other people is merely a craven attempt to compensate for a lack of meaning in one's own life.

The mass movements discussed in The True Believer include religious mass movements as well as political, including extensive discussions of Islam and Christianity. They also include seemingly benign mass movements which are neither political nor religious. A core principle in the book is Hoffer's insight that mass movements are interchangeable; he notes fanatical Nazis later becoming fanatical Communists, fanatical Communists later becoming fanatical anti-Communists, and Saul, persecutor of Christians, becoming Paul, a fanatical Christian himself. For the true believer the substance of the mass movement isn't so important as that he or she is part of that movement. Hoffer furthermore suggests that it is possible to head off the rise of an undesirable mass movement by substituting a benign mass movement, which will give those prone to joining movements an outlet for their insecurities.

Workers of the world, UNITE!

"The guy who put a lit firecracker between his buttocks is a piker compared to the Russian soldiers who took a smoke break in an ammunition warehouse—the explosions went on for a week." Colette Bancroft; Smarty Pants; St. Petersburg Times (Florida); Dec 9, 2007.

“Tens of millions of Americans, who neither know nor understand the actual arguments for or even against evolution, march in the army of the night with their Bibles held high. And they are a strong and frightening force, impervious to, and immunized against, the feeble lance of mere reason.” — Isaac Asimov (ca. 01/02/1920 to 04/06/1992 CE)

Most honorable Sir,
We perused your MS.
with boundless delight. And
we hurry to swear by our ancestors
we have never read any other
that equals its mastery.
Were we to publish your work,
we could never presume again on
our public and name
to print books of a standard
not up to yours.
For we cannot imagine
that the next ten thousand years
will offer its ectype.
We must therefore refuse
your work that shines as it were in the sky
and beg you a thousand times
to pardon our fault
which impairs but our own offices.

—Publishers

Louis Zukofsky

Huibote

• Conan the Dog has a Buddha nature.


• For El Huibote and madknits: The Knitting Tarot (Limited edition deck).


• For beebopmoo, Sparrow, and La Sirène de mon cœur: The Textile Tarot


• But most incredible of all, a tarot deck for Furr and westwind_mv: The Elemental Hexagons Oracle

alfrecht

sannion

tristissima

• Back in around 2005-2006, I was head-over-heels in lust with a pair of Chuck Taylor high-tops with the word for "peace" in a whole bunch of different languages on 'em at the Payless store in Mountain View. *SIGH* They never had my size.


• Some time back, that_grr got some cool custom-designed Chuck Taylors which were perfectly Puppy.


• hungcub just recently got a cool pair of glow-in-the-dark Reeboks. The pictures in his LJ were AWESOME.


• And once upon a time, I know Lupa posted about her own Chucks—don't remember if she's the one I found the organic/hemp/fair-trade high-tops through or not.

• Drawing Down the Moon by Margot Adler

• by Mel Bartholomew
  • Square Foot Gardening,
  • All New Square Foot Gardening,
  • Ca$h From Square Foot Gardening, and
  • the DVD Introducing Square Foot Gardening

• by Isaac Bonewits
  • Bonewits's Essential Guide to Druidism,
  • Bonewits's Essential Guide to Witchcraft and Wicca,
  • The Pagan Man: Priests, Warriors, Hunters, and Drummers,
  • Real Energy: Systems, Spirits, and Substances to Heal, Change, and Grow by Phaedra & Isaac together,
  • Real Magic: An Introductory Treatise on the Basic Principles of Yellow Magic, and
  • Rites of Worship: A Neopagan Approach

• by Ernest Callenbach
  • Ecotopia, and
  • Ecotopia Emerging

• by Peter Cashorali
  • Fairy Tales: Traditional Stories Retold for Gay Men, and
  • Gay Fairy & Folk Tales: More Traditional Stories Retold for Gay Men

• by Joan Chittister
  • The Rule of Benedict: Insights for the Ages
  • Wisdom Distilled from the Daily: Living the Rule of Benedict Today

• Creating A Life Together: Practical Tools For Growing Ecovillages And Intentional Communities by Diana Leafe Christian

• In Search Of Lost Roses book, and interview with author Thomas Christopher

• by Alain Daniélou
  • The Phallus: Sacred Symbol of Male Creative Power
  • The Way to the Labyrinth (his fascinating autobiography)

• by Anthony de Mello
  • Sadhana: A Way to God, Christian Exercises in Eastern Form
  • and everything else he wrote

• about Anthony de Mello and his work
  • Mastering Sadhana by Carlos G. Valles
  • Praying Naked: The Spirituality of Anthony de Mello by Francis J. Stroud

• Deep Ecology: Living As If Nature Mattered by Bill Devall and George Sessions

• The Organic Rose Garden by Liz Druitt

• Elements of Arousal: How To Write and Sell Gay Men's Erotica by Lars Eighner (author's expurgated on-line version)

• (A Brief History of) The Druids by Peter Berresford Ellis

• The Solitary Druid by Robert Lee Ellison, current Archdruid of ADF

• Chasing The Monsoon by Alexander Frater

• The E-Myth Revisited: Why Most Small Businesses Don't Work and What to Do About It by Michael Gerber

• Shopping for Buddhas by Jeff Greenwald

• A World Full of Gods: An Inquiry into Polytheism by John-Michael Greer

• The Independent Scholar's Handbook: How to Turn Your Interest in Any Subject into Expertise by Ronald Gross (Table of Contents and links to reviews).

• Gaia Eros: Reconnecting To The Magic And Spirit Of Nature by Jesse Wolf Hardin

• Growing a Business by Paul Hawken

• Being Dead is No Excuse: The Official Southern Ladies Guide to Hosting the Perfect Funeral by Charlotte Hays and Gayden Metcalfe

• Gaia's Garden: A Guide To Home-Scale Permaculture by Toby Hemenway

• Permaculture: Principles & Pathways Beyond Sustainability by David Holmgren; see also Permaculture Activist's website

• by Ronald Hutton
  • The Pagan Religions of the Ancient British Isles: Their Nature and Legacy
  • The Stations of the Sun: A History of the Ritual Year in Britain
  • The Triumph of the Moon: A History of Modern Pagan Witchcraft
  • The Druids
  • Witches, Druids and King Arthur
  • Shamans: Siberian Spirituality and the Western Imagination

• The Intellectual Devotional: Revive Your Mind, Complete Your Education, and Roam Confidently with the Cultured Class by David Kidder and Noah Oppenheim

• Making Faith-Sense: Theological Reflection in Everyday Life by Robert Kinast

• God Against The Gods: The History Of The War Between Monotheism And Polytheism by Jonathan Kirsch

• by E. C. Krupp
  • Beyond The Blue Horizon: Myths & Legends Of The Sun, Moon, Stars, & Planets,
  • Echoes of the Ancient Skies: The Astronomy of Lost Civilizations, and
  • Skywatchers, Shamans & Kings: Astronomy and the Archaeology of Power

• by Erynn Rowan Laurie
  • A Circle of Stones: Journeys & Meditations for Modern Celts,
  • Ogham: Weaving Word Wisdom

• The Practice of the Presence of God by Br. Lawrence of the Resurrection (Donald Attwater, translator; Introduction by Dorothy Day)

• Keeping a Nature Journal: Discover a Whole New Way of Seeing the World Around You by Clare Walker Leslie & Charles E. Roth

• The Classic Of Tea: Origins & Rituals (Cha Ch'ing, 茶經) by Lu Yü (陸羽)

• In Search of the Indo-Europeans: Language, Archaeology, and Myth by J. P. Mallory

• Cradle to Cradle: Remaking the Way We Make Things by William McDonough & Michael Braungart

• Introduction To Permaculture by Bill Mollison; see also Permaculture Activist's website

• by Brendan "Cathbad" Myers
  • Dangerous Religion
  • The Mysteries of Druidry with foreward by Isaac Bonewits

• Early Ireland: An Introduction to Irish Prehistory by Michael J. O'Kelly

• The Candle Magick Workbook: Why and How Candle Magick Works by Kala & Ketz Pajeon

• Comparative Mythology by Jan Puhvel

• Heaven's Flame: A Guide To Solar Cookers by Joseph Radabaugh (author's on-line article with diagrams)

• Celtic Heritage: Ancient Tradition in Ireland and Wales by Alwyn & Brinley Rees

• Why I Am Not A Christian: and Other Essays on Religion and Related Subjects by Bertrand Russell (title essay on-line at the Bertrand Russell Society website)

• Dwellers In The Land: The Bioregional Vision by Kirkpatrick Sale

• Salons: The Joy of Conversation by Jaida n'ha Sandra

• by (Bro.) William Schindler
  • Gay Tantra, and
  • Essays on Gay Tantra

• by Maryln Schwartz
  • A Southern Belle Primer: Or Why Paris Hilton Will Never Be a Kappa Kappa Gamma (new edition), and
  • New Times In The Old South: or Why Scarlett's in Therapy & Tara's Going Condo

• Growing Up Gay in the South: Race, Gender, and the Journeys of the Spirit by James T. Sears

• Deep Ecology For The 21st Century by George Sessions

• St. Benedict's Rule for Business Success by Quentin R. Skrabec, Jr.

• How To Think Theologically by Howard W. Stone and James O. Duke

• Essential Spirituality: The 7 Central Practices To Awaken Heart And Mind by Roger Walsh

• Gaviotas: A Village To Reinvent The World by Alan Weisman

• Ordinary Magic: Everyday Life as Spiritual Path, John Welwood, ed.

• "And they say that the Gymnosophists and the Druids philosophize, delivering their apophthegmns in enigmatical language, bidding men worship the gods and do no evil, and practise manly virtue." — Diogenes Laertius in his Βιοι Φιλοσοφων/Vitae Philosophorum, Book I, Introduction, §5 (translation by C. D. Yonge, 1853)

• "Trí caindle forosnat cach ndorcha: fír, aicned, ecna." — Trecheng Breth Féne (201)
  "Three candles that illumine every darkness: truth, nature, knowledge." — The Triads of Ireland (201)

• Pádraig of the Bells (the Christian saint) asked Caoilte this question: "What maintained the Fianna in their lives?" and Caoilte answered him thus: "Truth in our hearts, strength in our arms, and fulfillment in our tongues." — Acallamh na Seanórach (the Colloquy of the Ancients)

• "Tongu día tonges mo thúath ...."
  "I swear by the Gods my tribe swears by ...." — multiple instances in the Ulster Cycle texts

• "The universe is not only queerer than we imagine, it is queerer than we CAN imagine." — J.B.S. Haldane

• "Behav[e] as if the God in all things mattered." — Machaelle Small Wright

• "The goal of life is to make your heartbeat match the beat of the universe, to match your nature with Nature." — Joseph Campbell

• स्व॒ग्नयो हि वार्यं । दे॒वासो॑ दधिरे च नः । स्व॒ग्नयो॑ मनामहे ।। — ऋग्वेद १.२६.८
  "For when the Gods have a good fire, they bring us what we wish for. Let us pray with a good fire." — Ṛg Veda 1.26.8

• "The symbol of the cosmic man Purusha, the archetype, the universal plan present in all things, is the male emblem, the phallus.  The symbol of energy, which is the world's substance, the generator of all that exists, is the female organ, the yoni." — Liṅgopāsanā Rahasya p. 154

• "The entire world has the phallus as its foundation.  All is issued from the lingam.  He who desires perfection of the soul must worship the lingam." — Liṅga Purāṇa 1.3.7

• "To please the lord his symbol must be worshiped independently of its physical function.  As this function is to give birth, that function is thereby excluded." — Śiva Purāṇa 1.16.108

• "I am not distinct from the phallus.  The phallus is identical to me.  It draws my faithful close to me; therefore it must be worshiped.  My beloveds!  Everywhere an erect penis is to be found I am present, even if it is no more than another of my representations." — Śiva Purāṇa, 1.9.43-44

• "The aim of sexual mysticism and magick isn't always the total inhibition of coming — it's more to do with intensifying the orgasmic trance through diffusing the 'explosion' of coming throughout the body, and relaxing more fully into every nuance of psycho-physical sensation that arises. A key part of it is perhaps one of the great Keys to Magick — avoiding Lust of Result, a.k.a. attachment, goal-oriented consciousness, striving, or 'pushing the river'. Paradox time again. Orgasmic trance is more intense if you don't try to intensify it, or even try to reach orgasm at all. This is the heart of Taoist philosophy: wu wei, 'not pushing'" — by Gyrus in The End of the River

• "The world is full of sorrow. The root of sorrow is attachment. The remedy for sorrow is the dropping of all attachments." — The Buddha (paraphrased by Anthony de Mello)

• "The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." — George Bernard Shaw

• "Disbelief in magic can force a poor soul into believing in government and business." — Tom Robbins

• "Les mythes n'ont pas de vie par eux-mêmes, ils attendent que nous les incarnions.  Qu'un seul homme au monde réponde à leur appel, et ils offrent leur sève intacte."
  The myths do not have life in themselves, they wait for us to embody them.  Let just one man in the world respond to their call, and they offer their life-sap intact. (translation mine) — Albert Camus, L'Été

• "I never came across anyone in whom the moral sense was dominant who was not heartless, cruel, vindictive, log-stupid and entirely lacking in the smallest sense of humanity." — Oscar Wilde

• "Moral people, as they are termed, are simple beasts." — Oscar Wilde

• "America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between." — Oscar Wilde

• "A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death." — The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. from his speech Beyond Vietnam: A Time to Break Silence, April 4th, 1967

• "In Washington Irving's familiar story of Rip Van Winkle ... the most striking thing ... is not that Rip slept twenty years, but that he slept through a revolution that would alter the course of human history .... Every society has its protectors of the status quo and its fraternities of the indifferent who are notorious for sleeping through revolutions. But today our very survival depends on our ability to stay awake, to adjust to new ideas .... If we do not act, we shall surely be dragged down the long, dark, and shameful corridors of time reserved for those who possess power without compassion, might without morality, and strength without sight." — The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

• "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." — The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

• "The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict." — The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

• "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." — Samuel Johnson

• "Patriotism is support for one's country, not support for the president." — Theodore Roosevelt

• "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." — Theodore Roosevelt

• "He who would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." — Thomas Paine

• "Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." — John Stuart Mill

• "The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order [businesspeople], ought always to be listened to with great precaution, and ought never to be adopted, till after having been long and carefully examined, not only with the most scrupulous, but with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men, whose interest is never exactly the same with that of the public, who have generally an interest to deceive and even to oppress the public, and who accordingly have, upon many occasions, both deceived and oppressed it." — Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations, Book I Chapter XI

• "Those seeking profits, were they given total freedom, would not be the ones to trust to keep government pure and our rights secure. Indeed, it has always been those seeking wealth who were the source of corruption in government. No other depositories of power have ever yet been found, which did not end in converting to their own profit the earnings of those committed to their charge." — Thomas Jefferson, 1816, letter to Samuel Kerchival

• "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country .... corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed." — spuriously attributed to Abraham Lincoln

• "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." — spuriously attributed to both Huey Long and Sinclair Lewis

• "Sure we'll have fascism in America, but it'll come disguised as one hundred percent Americanism." — spuriously attributed to Huey P. Long, Governor & Senator from Louisiana

• "Political language ... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." — George Orwell, Politics and the English Language

• "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." — President John F. Kennedy

• "The problem of power is how to achieve its responsible use rather than its irresponsible and indulgent use—of how to get men of power to live for the public rather than off the public." — Robert F. Kennedy, I Remember, I Believe, The Pursuit of Justice, 1964

• "It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America." — Molly Ivins

• "If you want peace, work for justice." — Pope Paul VI, 1 January, 1972.

• "I love humanity but I hate people." — Edna St. Vincent Millay

• "Eat hot death, Steve." — Milo to Steve Dallas in Berke Breathed's comic strip Bloom County

• "L'enfer, c'est les autres." "Hell, it is others." — Jean-Paul Sartre (translation mine)

• "Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. The more uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows precisely what is right and what is wrong. All human progress, even in morals, has been the work of men who have doubted the current moral values, not of men who have whooped them up and tried to enforce them. The truly civilized man is always skeptical and tolerant, in this field as in all others. His culture is based on 'I am not too sure.'" — H. L. Mencken

• "We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart." — H. L. Mencken

• "Puritanism. The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy." — H. L. Mencken

• "A map is not the territory ...." — Alfred Korzybski, 1931

• "Monotheism is but imperialism in religion." — James Henry Breasted

• "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." — President Dwight Eisenhower, April 16, 1953

• "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." — H. L. Mencken, Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920

• "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." — Susan B. Anthony

• "There was a time when a falsehood, fulminated from the pulpit, smote like a sword; but, the supply having greatly exceeded the demand, clerical misrepresentation has at last become almost an innocent amusement.  Remembering that only a few years ago men, women, and even children, were imprisoned, tortured and burned, for having expressed in an exceedingly mild and gentle way, the ideas entertained by me, I congratulate myself that calumny is now the pulpit's last resort.  The old instruments of torture are kept only to gratify curiosity; the chains are rusting away, and the demolition of time has allowed even the dungeons of the Inquisition to be visited by light.  The church, impotent and malicious, regrets, not the abuse, but the loss of her power, and seeks to hold by falsehood what she gained by cruelty and force, by fire and fear.  Christianity cannot live in peace with any other form of faith.  If that religion be true, there is but one savior, one inspired book, and but one little narrow grass-grown path that leads to heaven.  Such a religion is necessarily uncompromising, unreasoning, aggressive and insolent.  Christianity has held all other creeds and forms in infinite contempt, divided the world into enemies and friends, and verified the awful declaration of its founder—a declaration that wet with blood the sword he came to bring, and made the horizon of a thousand years lurid with the fagots' flames." — Robert Green Ingersoll in Some Mistakes of Moses

• "I want to see us take over whole regions, ... turn them into model ecological visions, liberate and empower people, and completely transform our society." — Starhawk

• "If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with success unexpected in common hours." — Henry David Thoreau

• "Let us rediscover the flavors and savors of regional cooking and banish the degrading effects of Fast Food." — The Slow Food Manifesto

• "Overeating makes as poor a substitute for oral sex as smoking does for breast-feeding." — Peter J. Carroll in PsyberMagick: Advanced Ideas in Chaos Magick, pg. 73

• "[Long hair] is considered bohemian, which may be why I grew it, but I keep it long because I love the way it feels, part cloak, part fan, part mane, part security blanket." — Marge Piercy

• "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." — Joseph E. O'Donnell

• "The more you are willing to trust yourself, and take risks to follow your inner guidance, the more money you will have.  The Universe will pay you to be yourself and do what you really love." — Shakti Gawain

• "You may feel like dwelling on your limits or your fears.  Don't do it.  A perfect prescription for a squandered, unfulfilled life is to accommodate self-defeating feelings while undercutting your finest, most productive ones." — Marsha Sinetar in To Build the Life You Want, Create the Work You Love

• "Be gentle with yourself.  If you will not be your own unconditional friend, who will be?  If you are playing an opponent and you are also opposing yourself—you are going to be outnumbered." — Dan Millman

• "The greater part of our happiness or misery depends on our dispositions and not our circumstances." — Martha Washington

• "Until one is committed, there is hesitancy, the chance to draw back, always ineffectiveness.  Concerning all acts of initiative and creation, there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too.  All sorts of things occur to help one that would never otherwise have occurred.  A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance which no man could have dreamed would have come his way.  Whatever you can do or dream you can, begin it.  Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it.  Begin it now." — Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe

• "There are people whom one loves immediately and forever.  Even to know they are alive in the world with one is quite enough." — Nancy Spain

• "A life of reaction is a life of slavery, intellectually and spiritually. One must fight for a life of action, not reaction." — Rita Mae Brown

• "About all you can do in life is be who you are. Some people will love you for you. Most will love you for what you can do for them, and some won't like you at all." — Rita Mae Brown

• "Art is moral passion married to entertainment. Moral passion without entertainment is propaganda, and entertainment without moral passion is television." — Rita Mae Brown

• "The reward for conformity is that everyone likes you but yourself." — Rita Mae Brown

• "I believe in a lively disrespect for most forms of authority." — Rita Mae Brown

• "When you plant lettuce, if it does not grow well, you don't blame the lettuce. You look for reasons it is not doing well. It may need fertilizer, or more water, or less sun. You never blame the lettuce. Yet if we have problems with our friends or family, we blame the other person. But if we know how to take care of them, they will grow well, like the lettuce. Blaming has no positive effect at all, nor does trying to persuade using reason and argument. That is my experience. No blame, no reasoning, no argument, just understanding. If you understand, and you show that you understand, you can love, and the situation will change."
  — Thich Nhat Hanh
  
  
• "Dogs never lie about love." — Jeffrey Masson
  
  

• I do my thing
  and you do your thing.

  I am not in this world to
  live up to your
  expectations, and
  you are not in this world
  to live up to mine.

  You are you and I am I,
  and if by chance we find
  each other,
  it's beautiful.
  — Frederick S. Perle

  
  

• I bargained with Life for a penny,
  And Life would pay no more,
  However I begged at evening
  When I counted my scanty store;

  For Life is a just employer,
  He gives you what you ask,
  But once you have set the wages,
  Why, you must bear the task.

  I worked for a menial's hire,
  Only to learn, dismayed,
  That any wage I had asked of Life,
  Life would have gladly paid.
  — Jessie B Rittenhouse (N.B.: doggerel, but still true)

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